Comment on Not to Code wireless firm alarm - how to protect yourself / CA cooling off period correction August 9, 2021
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KEN KIRSCHENBAUM, ESQ ALARM - SECURITY INDUSTRY LEGAL EMAIL NEWSLETTER / THE ALARM EXCHANGE You can read all of our articles on our website. Having trouble getting our emails? Change your spam controls and white list ken@kirschenbaumesq.com ****************************** Comment on Not to Code wireless firm alarm - how to protect yourself / CA cooling off period correction August 9, 2021 ********************* Comment on Not to Code wireless firm alarm - how to protect yourself from article on July 29, 2021 ********************* Ken, Ask an AHJ to put his approval in writing and see how far you get; not far I will bet. There are commercial listed wireless fire alarm systems available now so I see no need to take on liability for "not to code" systems. I like to use a phrase that an instructor used to explain how to deal with customers and installers that attempt to justify a reason to not follow code. "There will be a fire here today that will involve a fatality, tomorrow you will be in court to explain your actions or inactions. Now, how do you want to proceed?" Best regards, Scott Clausen ************************* Response ************************* I agree with you that it's risky to install or provide services for a fire alarm system you know isn't to code. The Fire All in One does have a provision that states that the system is not to code and that you did recommend it to be to code. That provision is not implicit or express endorsement for not installing code compliant fire alarm systems. The provision is in response to the fact that some alarm companies will undertake to install or provide services to non-compliant systems and therefore the contractual protective provision was thought necessary and appropriate. Not all jurisdictions will permit a wireless fire alarm system. It's your responsibility to know the fire alarm codes and comply with them. Apparently from the emails I get on this topic not all AHJs are particularly helpful; getting written confirmation of instructions or orders from the AHJ is not always forthcoming. If the AHJ won't commit in writing to a non-conforming installation then you should write to the AHJ confirming a conversation or directive. The best practice is to comply with code and AHJ requirements. That will be your second best defense after the Fire All in One. *************************** CA cooling off period correction ******************************** Ken Just wanted to double check. Did you mean seniors in California get 5 days, or 7 days, for the security alarm cancelation period? (This is for non-disaster service/installations.) I know effective Jan 1, 2021 it was 5 days, but maybe it changed again recently to 7? Just wanted to double check. I'm due for my free update in about a month and just wanted to make sure beforehand.Thanks. Best Regards, Mark Michael Dooda ******************************* Response ******************************** Sorry my mistake. It's 5 days for seniors. Thanks for pointing that out. ******************************** To order up to dateStandard Form Alarm / Security / Fire and related Agreements, click here: www.alarmcontracts.com ************************* CONCIERGE LAWYER SERVICE PROGRAM FOR THE ALARM INDUSTRY You can check out the program and sign up here: https://www.kirschenbaumesq.com/page/concierge or contact our Program Coordinator Stacy Spector, Esq at 516 747 6700 x 304. *********************** NOTICE: You can always read our Articles on our website at ww.kirschenbaumesq.com/page/alarm-articles *********************** THE ALARM EXCHANGE
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