COMMENT ON BURGLAR ALARM SUPERVISING A FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEM (FROM NOV 17, 2015 ARTICLE)
To Ross, What is the exact model number of the 128? You might want to do a little research...!
Is chuck serious....? Hummm, I wonder if anyone makes a combo commercial fire burg panel.....?
I do not do any residential fire alarm systems and therefore do not follow the code as it applies to them. This is a subject and world on to its own. There is and has been much discussion by both the so called experts and installing industry that appears in many cases to be incorrect or misleading posted on your blog. These so called experts and their options, yes options incorrectly refer to NFPA 72, to back themselves or at least try to. Many factors come into play here not limited to state, city and local authorities' requirements etc. to name just a few. They apply in addition to the NFPA. You can see this just from the NCFM’s Office in Nassau County that is more strict then the state and NFPA codes.
All those persons in this industry that go to you for answers really need to do their own research based upon where they are located to see exactly what applies to them as well as purchase a copy of the NFPA 72 with year code that applies to use as needed. They should already have this and I bet most do not. Anyone in the fire alarm industry that you ask questions to and get responses from will all be stating their own personal options and interpretations. The real way to get the correct answers to questions strictly on the NFPA 72 is to present those questions directly to those employed by the NFPA who are there just for that purpose. I have done this many times and they do respond with an answer. They are not always what you want to hear but do respond with an answer. Yes you have to be a member for them to respond and to do this. The same question method with the NFPA also applies to their local fire inspection authorities who are more reluctant to respond in writing if at all.
You can only help those posing questions to you so much since you are not in this business. As the so called experts they claim to be asking you questions, they need to do their own research on their own or pay for it.
Perhaps if you want to follow through in this direction and get answers to the posed questions you can compile a list of questions that must be review and weeded through to send to the NFPA for answers.
You may not like my response here but that is the real way to get correct and accurate answers to many, not all, of the legitimate questions. I am sure they will find other so called experts out there who will jump at the opportunity to be your go to guy and provide so called answers (right or wrong) just to get their name out there in an attempt to get business from those who do not know what they are doing.
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A question I get frequently is which contract should be used if an intrusion and fire alarm are being installed. Do you need to use both the Commercial All in One and Fire All in One, or can you use just one of those agreements?
First consider the residential setting. You use the Residential All in One. That agreement covers fire. It states that unless noted the system is not a fire alarm system that is designed to NFPA standards. If the residential subscriber wants a fire alarm system that comports with NFPA standards then that is checked on the contract form and also will be described in the Schedule of Equipment and Services [or your proposal if you use that instead of the schedule].
For commercial jobs, if you are installing a fire alarm system to code [which you should be doing] you use the Fire All in One. If you are also installing an intrusion or anything other than fire [cameras or audio or remote access] it's best to use the Commercial All in One. If you can not for some reason bring yourself to use both form agreements then you have to use the Fire All in One. You will have to add a Rider to describe the intrusion system and I suggest you copy the Central Station paragraph from the Commercial All in One onto the Rider in connection with the intrustion system. Same for cameras and access control or remote access. You will have to copy the applical provisions from the Commercial All in One onto the Fi! re All in One Rider.
Recommended that you use both forms. If you use a single panel for both systems then simply indicate on the Commerical All in One that the security system is controlled through the panel installed with the fire alarm system.
JEFF ZWIRN'S EXTREME ALARM SCIENCE BOOT CAMP
Jeff Zwirn is presenting his Extreme Alarm Science Boot Camp at a seminar at John Jay College on December 11, 2015. Details on the boot camp and cost of the seminar are below.
Alarm Science Boot Camp (TM) is a comprehensive training program that provides scientific,
technical, and real-world forensic based training to assist you and your employees in helping
to minimize your company's liability before a loss occurs. We will take you behind the scenes
of actual forensic cases and claims where different types of alarm systems have failed; perform
a scientific and technical examination of the failure(s), and provide you with a heightened
sense of awareness in how certain methodologies and practices can result in a higher
propensity to loss of property, serious personal injury, and even death. Advanced Electronic
Countermeasures that can be successfully utilized against the criminal element and for life
safety purposes will also be provided.
Event Date: Friday, December 11, 2015
Location: 445 West 59th Street - Room 2200A
Seminar Fee: $195 ($175 for John Jay students, alumni, faculty & staff)
Please make check payable to John Jay College
Send check to the Center for Private Security & Safety or Bursar’s Office,
619 W 54th Street, Suite 736, New York, NY 10019
by November 30 to receive $15 off